Consider carefully before you take the leap
Published on December 28, 2021 By Daiwa In Personal Computing

This was the subject of a reply of mine to Tatiora's October post on Windows 11 Updates that I think merits a separate thread.

I've been advised by my tech support company to not install Windows 11 under any circumstances.  A major reason for that is that I (and my office network) deal with protected health information and Windows 11 is not only not HIPAA compliant but opens your computer to all kinds of background third party access.  MS has decided to go the way of Facebook and make you the product which they will sell as the primary method of sustaining their business.  The 'upgrade' may be free but orders of magnitude more intrusive, mostly silently of course (the fine print applies when you click Agree).

Windows 11, per my tech, also is a major step toward forcing all your application purchases and subscriptions into the Microsoft Store, a la Apple.  They are steadily making it harder & harder to install anything from outside their controlled ecosystem.  They actually trialed this approach with a version of Windows 10 called Windows 10S.  I learned of this when we purchased a Surface which turned out to have that OS for a dedicated purpose servicing a biometric device early this year.  Initially I thought the "S" meant a version specific to the Surface but it turns out the "S" means Store, as in Microsoft Store.  Our tech had to force an install of a regular version of Windows 10 before the software for the biometric device could be installed (it obviously wasn't available on the Microsoft Store).  There were also incompatible drivers for things like our network printers & Bluetooth devices.  The latter issues are probably cleaned up a bit in Windows 11, but beware.

A good example of where this will likely lead is the recent behavior of Adobe regarding Adobe Acrobat Reader DC which is the subject of another post here.  They already have the ability to reach into your computer uninvited and steal paid-for software from you.

Enjoy the brave new world of computing and Happy New Year!


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on Jan 09, 2022

PhoenixRising1

I do not think that the privacy concerns should scare people away from trying Windows 11 as there are plenty of ways to still protect your privacy.

No such thing as "true" privacy when it comes to being online. You can only do so much. But every company you do business with or interact with has dirt on you. Welcome to the information age. 

on Jan 09, 2022


Oh, please. If you think my phrase "the price" means I was ignorant of the fact it was a free upgrade?

The problem of new members joining a site is a poor presumption they know more than anyone else.

You don't.

'THE PRICE'.  It was zero cost.

You pay elsewhere.

Nothing comes freely without strings attached .

The TRULY ignorant think there are no strings.

What happened to the statement that 10 was the last OS?  MS couldn't update it enough to fully lock users into their new commercial model, so they release a 'better' version. ...11.

And guess what....price is the same.

Jafo,  you have a very low opinion of your fellow forum users in this topic, i can tell you now, i do not have a poor presumption that i know more than anyone else, but i can presume to give feedback on Win 11 as i have been using it daily since it's launch, actual first hand experience gained over numerous man hours delving into it's settings, testing out things, modifying, making it more safer and user friendly, you have never actually used this OS, but you make statements and throw insults to any member who has actually tried this OS and disagrees with you, and all this from a peep who has "Second Hand Info" at best.

Why are you exempt from forum rules, flaming others who's hands on dealing with this Operating System and reporting back, does not agree with your own second hand ideas about an OS you have never used.

on Jan 09, 2022

naroon1

you make statements and throw insults to any member who has actually tried this OS and disagrees with you, and all this from a peep who has "Second Hand Info" at best.

Why are you exempt from forum rules, flaming others who's hands on dealing with this Operating System and reporting back, does not agree with your own second hand ideas about an OS you have never used.
I have been on 11 since it's release.  Jafo hasn't once "flamed" me for it.  I think you're being a bit unfair to the man.

 

Firstly, IMHO, the position Jafo holds here deserves a little respect. We have bumped heads a few times over the years, but I respect what he does here.

Secondly, He is, after all, an observer by trade, so he observes quite well.  

As for an OS he has never used, what is so different with 11 than 10, other than cosmetics?  Windows is pretty much Windows, just getting a few tweaks here and there. We have always had to TRY to defend our privacy from MS, that isn't new. Maybe I'm not so versed in delving and all that, but 11 serves me well, and I even like it's looks.  To each his own, I guess.

 

I'm rambling.  My main reason for posting here was/is to say that Jafo isn't the bad guy here, and he doesn't flame peeps.  He is, however, The Man in the forums.  He can snap his fingers and send folks to The Void (Loki reference). 

People with no experience and respect don't get that power.      Ok, I'm done.  Flame me as you wish.

 

Oh, and have a nice day!

on Jan 09, 2022

RedneckDude


Quoting naroon1,

you make statements and throw insults to any member who has actually tried this OS and disagrees with you, and all this from a peep who has "Second Hand Info" at best.

Why are you exempt from forum rules, flaming others who's hands on dealing with this Operating System and reporting back, does not agree with your own second hand ideas about an OS you have never used.

I have been on 11 since it's release.  Jafo hasn't once "flamed" me for it.  I think you're being a bit unfair to the man.

 

Firstly, IMHO, the position Jafo holds here deserves a little respect. We have bumped heads a few times over the years, but I respect what he does here.

Secondly, He is, after all, an observer by trade, so he observes quite well.  

As for an OS he has never used, what is so different with 11 than 10, other than cosmetics?  Windows is pretty much Windows, just getting a few tweaks here and there. We have always had to TRY to defend our privacy from MS, that isn't new. Maybe I'm not so versed in delving and all that, but 11 serves me well, and I even like it's looks.  To each his own, I guess.

 

I'm rambling.  My main reason for posting here was/is to say that Jafo isn't the bad guy here, and he doesn't flame peeps.  He is, however, The Man in the forums.  He can snap his fingers and send folks to The Void (Loki reference). 

People with no experience and respect don't get that power.      Ok, I'm done.  Flame me as you wish.

 

Oh, and have a nice day!

 

RedneckDude

I am very big on respect and respect anyone who is respectful of me and others, i was always taught respect is a two way street.

I agree with you about Win 11 not being too far from the Win 10 we all used and that goes for privacy issues too, they can be dealt with, and as an active user with many hours on this OS under my belt, i have simply tried to report this for other less savvy users.

I have no concern with jafo snapping his fingers and using his power to send members to the void, why should i as i have done nothing wrong but take offence in the way he speaks to myself and others, that is not returning respect given, so far i have reacted to said comments and the way they have been delivered in such a crappy way, totally unnecessary.

As A Soldier of many years , i understand Power, how it is gained, it's use and how it can be applied, so i have a great understanding of this.

This forum like all others has Rules and TOS and should apply to all who use this forum regardless of Rank, i am not seeing this in this topic.

Why would i Flame you RedneckDude, you have not said or done anything to me, can you please show me any comment i have made Flaming any member in this forum ever.

The man in the forum or not, we all have a right to be spoken too in a civil manner, without having to read some of his reply's and they way they are delivered, we all have a right to differing opinions good or bad, hey that is what this forum is about, sharing our experience and man hours, hands on work with this OS, in the hope what we report back is of benefit to others.

 

All The Very Best To You, and you have a great day too.

on Jan 09, 2022

naroon1

I have no concern with jafo snapping his fingers and using his power to send members to the void,
I wasn't referring to you, or anyone in particular.  I guess I was just emphasizing his power, and the years of WC/SD loyalty he must have shown to get where he is.

 

I was a moderator on a skinning site once, so I know it is sometimes hard not to step on someone's toes.  It is what it is.

naroon1

i have simply tried to report this for other less savvy users.
A good thing!

on Jan 09, 2022

The whole conversation was a bit of flame bait to be fair. It is still fun to debate though, at least for me. Hopefully, the topic isnt as sacred as religion and politics are to some. Things may have got heated at points, but hopefully we can all take a step backwards at the end of this and still have respect for one another.

I didnt see any mod powers used unfairly here so I would consider this a clean debate

on Jan 09, 2022

PhoenixRising1

The whole conversation was a bit of flame bait to be fair. It is still fun to debate though, at least for me. Hopefully, the topic isnt as sacred as religion and politics are to some. Things may have got heated at points, but hopefully we can all take a step backwards at the end of this and still have respect for one another.

I didn't see any mod powers used unfairly here so I would consider this a clean debate

Thanks, Phoenix ....that's how I see it too...

Because there are public references to whether my conduct within this thread is appropriate or not I'll publicly post salient bullet points.

1. #31 "Wow you really are entrenched in your belief"

That can only be interpreted as a put-down, where said 'belief' is asinine.

2. #33 "No need to paint me as an opinionated fool...I'm just looking at realities."

My Response.

3. Site Administrators receive a complaint that I am trolling on the basis of that single response.  I'm aware of that as I am [one of] the site administrator/s.

4. I take it upon myself to concede I could have worded it more directly, and simply move on.

5. I am asked what I do not like about Win 10.

6. my response 'the price' is interpreted by someone new to the site that I was unaware it was free.

7. I state clearly a 'newbie' to the site might think they know more than others, and would be misguided, as the phrase 'the price' referred to the issue that nothing is ever really 'free', not that I was unaware you could get it freely [I do have 5 systems currently running 10].

8. A user takes umbrage claiming I have a low opinion of users.  To a small extent that is true when they make incorrect assumptions without checking further first.  It's bad practice.

9. Someone I enjoy locking horns with springs to my defense  [means I must be doing something wrong]...

10. #81 ....yes, it's one reason I'm here on this thread.  We simply move Politics/Religion/etc to their own forum section where sensitive souls can avoid them [though sadly I still need to police them...and it's often unnerving to spend time there with extremists].

I've been site Administrator here for nigh on 20 years and am the longest-serving actively doing it.  Frogboy's responsibilities are naturally elsewhere, and others have retired or moved on.

By and large it is a very safe/friendly corner of the Internet [though people who have been here 15 years or more might recall otherwise]...

That's about it.

Again, moving on,  Terry's system is virginal and still has failing updates, but if it gets to the right version of 10 I'll put 11 on it and compare "first hand" just how less bad it might be than 10..... and how more effective it's coded to eventually lock everyone into the 'new' MS business model, something that 10 must have been found lacking.....otherwise there would be no need for an '11'...

 

 

on Jan 09, 2022


Again, moving on,  Terry's system is virginal and still has failing updates
I'm old and in need of glasses.  I read vaginal.  oh shit...lol.

on Jan 09, 2022


9. Someone I enjoy locking horns with springs to my defense  [means I must be doing something wrong]...
Gotta think on that one.

on Jan 09, 2022


Again, moving on,  Terry's system is virginal and still has failing updates, but if it gets to the right version of 10 I'll put 11 on it and compare "first hand" just how less bad it might be than 10..... and how more effective it's coded to eventually lock everyone into the 'new' MS business model, something that 10 must have been found lacking.....otherwise there would be no need for an '11'..

That solves that.  Now fully up to date on 10.

She's safe from 11....too old to get it [the computer, not her].

I do have a laptop that might be young enough....Terry's machine is well over a decade old.

So if nothing else MS wants to encourage land-fill....so noble of them...

on Jan 09, 2022

Jafo - I do think that at the end temperatures were a little high so I don't blame that response from naroon1 either.

But, I also think we are good here. It was just a friendly debate, there is nothing wrong with a little bit of passion mixed in. That and we did find out..... 

....that clearly Windows 11 is better then Windows 7. I am glad that is now settled 😜

on Jan 09, 2022

RedneckDude


Quoting Jafo,

Again, moving on,  Terry's system is virginal and still has failing updates

I'm old and in need of glasses.  I read vaginal.  oh shit...lol.

I also read vaginal on that. 😅

 

on Jan 10, 2022

Jafo I was going to come home tonight from work and tell the newbie how it is. As far as I know,. you have been doing this longer then many of us, even longer then us old timers. I would think you would know the ins and outs of Windows and a few other operating systems better then most. Glad to see it all got sorted before I got home.

on Jan 10, 2022

PhoenixRising1

....that clearly Windows 11 is better then Windows 7. I am glad that is now settled

Looks like I'm just gonna have to hit you....

That virginal....read....virginal edition of 10 has so far BSOD'd once since it finished updating to 'current'.

Not bad...was stable for about 4 hours.

I know.  It's my fault for actually trying to do something with an OS....you know....like 'O' the 'S'.

My latest trial is convincing outlook.pst to be found inside an image....

on Jan 10, 2022

RedneckDude

On a second point, I have had zero issues installing just about anything I want on 11.  I have installed everything I always run on every PC I have had since Windows 7. No issues.


+1

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