Ditto

Jafo,  It is generous of you to call your own opinion asinine, some will share that and others may not, but hey if we all thought the same the world would be very boring.

Again no one but yourself painted you to be an opinionated fool, words you chose not mine. Again i am fully aware of who and what you are here, having never met you before, i take peeps how i find them and move forward based on said findings. I am also fully aware any complaints will land on your desktop and rightly or wrongly reported back to all in the topic, at least i know how things work here in this forum.

Also good to hear to some extent, you do have a low opinion of this forums users, regardless of your reasons, many things can be deemed bad practice, but one forums way of doing things is not another's and as we probably all have at least some experience of forums ways, that is something we decide on a forum by forum basis.

I have no affiliation to any member who in the past, "you have locked Horns with" and for whatever there reasons, jumps to your Defence, so to me that is a mute point and nothing to do with me.

The word "Newbie" has been used more than once by more than yourself. Based on you listing in your reply how long you have been doing this, i too have been a member for over a Decade, post counts can be deceptive as we can have members who are long time users but only post when it is something they are either interested in or have a Valued input about a subject, that is why i have been more active in this topic as i am a Win 11 user since day one, also being someone with first hand knowledge about this OS, my opinion is based on working with this OS 7 days a week for 8 Hours in a work environment and several more each day at my site and also experimenting with privacy settings of which this topic is about. I have responded to your comments because, when i first read them, i thought you may have been a similar Win 11 user with similar knowledge of this OS, and it's always good to share what has been learned.(yes i know you have Win 10 experience even though Win 7 is your thing) but was very surprised to learn , you have no hands on time with this OS, but may in a future point, that did explain a few things to me and i then understood we were not on the same page. I was reporting back my learning curve with Win 11 and you were reporting back what you have read, what others have told you, and what you understood to be similar to Win 10.

I do agree with you about this corner of the Internet, as a Soldier both man and boy with 7 Combat Tours under my belt, this is mostly a friendly place with the usual issues of peeps behind keyboards etc...    Seen lots of places were things you could not imagine go on each day and are never reported in the media, so yes as a Ten Year member i can not comment on what when on 15 years ago, but believe me i have seen a lot of good and bad.

I personally love a good debate and welcome Informed experience on lots of topics and things, using what i have learned and delivered with Good Manners.

That was my right to reply, and now i too move on.

The cables arrived but realised if i want to make my rig all i want it to be, i will need several more components as desktop PC insides can be filled quickly with a Huge Graphics card. This can leave no space for other components that use the PCIex1 slots right under the fans of the GPU. So by the end of next week i will be able to Run 4 SSDs, Blu-ray Writers and have the space to add 2 more Sata III Ports.

I should be able with just a re boot, to experiment more with Win 11 all settings on several drives and still be able to have my Win 10 with WB10 working and the Win 11 OS using Explorerpatcher so i can further experiment with with Windowblinds 10, and can continue to Beta Test Themes updated to work with Win 11 systems without worrying or messing about with my Daily Win 11 Drive.

The same was true of Windows 7 and 10.  Enterprise versions are configured through group policies so that they comply with any local security requirements.  No large corporation typically allows end users to on their own install a new OS on a company owned pc.  The corporate computers issued to workers are imaged by their IT tech so that they are fully configured and compliant. Even windows updates are installed locally.

I worked for the VA in health insurance billing.  Windows 11 will get the same treatment that windows 10 did.  New hardware will be purchased and windows 11 will be configured for the new hardware and it will be used because it is more secure than windows 10.

Totally agree, i do think Win 11 will be adopted in a similar way to Win 10, without working for one of those corporations, i did think something very similar in the way those corporate machines are configured. In the UK it is done in a similar way, IT departments will Configure those machines based on the needs of the Business, Win 7 and 10 were no different, all had privacy issues to some extent , Well Said.

The word "newbie" is a bit worn out because it is overly used anyways. The only thing "new" here is people's familiarity with EACHOTHER, this differs wildly with peoples familiarity the SUBJECT at hand. If there is any ambiguity used from a PERSON then it will be the regular's of the site that understand more because of their familiarity of the PERSON. This level of familiarity has nothing to do with the actual SUBJECT. Therefore a "newbie" of the forum may stumble on their familiarity of the PERSON and yet know very well about the SUBJECT. This is because all knowledge of a subject does not come from one place alone. Therefore the word "newbie" is off topic and the need to clear up ambiguity makes sense.

This is just my take as I do not believe new member should so quickly be discredited because of their status of "new"

I agree with 93 and 94. Windows 11 trajectory looks very close with Windows 7 and 10 so far. Its adoption rate is steady, although still at about 10 percent. That actually is not bad since it is in its early life. I remember when Windows 7 came out we were in a very similar situation, there were a lot of people that did not want to move away from Windows XP as they swore by it as the better operating system. I bet there was a forum somewhere that looked pretty identical to us debating 7 vs 10 or 10 vs 11...

I do not see 11 being another Windows Vista or even Windows 8. Those two never took off from an adoption rate point. I think it is more close to another windows 10 then anything else which is not a bad thing.

Then you are blind. Just from the bad press 11 has gotten so far from word of mouth I don't see many people upgrading to 11 from 10. I will not use 11. 11 hates my video card and HP will not make drivers for 11 even though my PC is less then a year old. 

Adoption rate of windows 8 was at about 2.5 percent after 3 months. Where as Windows 11 is at 8.9 percent in the first 3 months. That is more in line with what we saw with Windows 10 not Windows 8.

Windows 10 also had an adjustment period where not all things worked properly on release as is the case with Windows 11. It is fair to state both were a bit of Beta's as of their debut.

Thanks to all for an interesting discussion.

One purpose of my original post was to point out the direction in which OS 'optimization' is going - ratcheting toward enclosing the Windows garden and forcing app developers to sell through the Store, not that prohibitions of non-Store third party apps exist as we speak.

As for the HIPAA issues & invasiveness of 11, I'll abide by our tech's advice as I trust it after working with him for 20+ years.

I can not say I have the same amount of optimism for the Windows Store. I buried its function in Windows 8, I buried it again in Windows 10, and I find myself burying it some more in Windows 11 minus some random curiosity as to whether it is now good or not. So far, it is still not pulling me in.

The Microsoft Store and a powerful PC just seem like an odd couple. There are just too many phone resembling apps that have the look of a misfit on a pc. I am not sure if I am in the majority of Windows 11 users or not. Microsoft is making its strongest push yet and I do know there has been some excitement in regards to using android apps on a pc. I haven't really complained about this though because it is always a good thing when the PC can do more. But, I do not really see myself using them.  I do understand the store ecosystem allows apps that would otherwise not exist to come into existence, but the apps still do not feel right to me. I still find myself using more traditional apps the same I have been since I started using a PC.

It is very possible, in my view, the windows store never will really catch on the same way as a google store or amazon app store have.

Good...

Yes. As in when someone presumes 'the price' indicates an ignorance of 'the price' it's their lack of knowledge of the commenter's background and/or experience.

If you were not a 'newbie' to Stardock's sites you'd know exactly what I meant.

The rate of take-up of an OS MUST be countered by [again] 'the price'.  No longer does an existing user of 'Windows' have to shell out several hundred dollars for a new version.  In fact they are nagged until they give in and get it for nothing....')

Redmond was particularly horrified by the slow switch from 7, probably what killed their mobile phone at the same time.

If every single release of an OS cost the same [with inflation] Redmond would STILL be horrified how many people were staying with 7.

That 'free price' undermines all credibility of the acceptance/take up percentages of 10 [and 11].

BTW....teething troubles with an early release.  Your average user does not know his way around an OS like most proponents of GUI modding here at Stardock/Wincustomize, so when a 10 update loses their personal files for them there really should have been a class action suit for MS's incompetence.

8/10 were a significant departure in GUI design that obviously led to a loss of productivity while people coped with understanding the changes.  If that were not the case you would not have seen such a massive interest in Start8 and beyond.

Meanwhile....

11 'might' be to 10 what 7 was to Vista, or even what 10 was to 8, but it's too soon to tell [for me] as the CURRENT requirements for 11 are greater than the original machine I was to put it on.... a sad indictment of MS CURRENT policy. An i7 920 with 12 gig of ram isn't a total dud but it's not UEFI ....

I too have never needed to adopt Microsoft Store, yes , sometimes by default it will open when i have been doing some stuff, but i can always find and install all my usual Programs as they have always been backed up and updated manually doing it the old school way. I do think less savvy users will use it to some point, but there will always be peeps like us who will not. I used to do a lot of work for clients on there Computers and always passed on tips and hints.

So far using Win 11 has been plain sailing based on settings we have all discussed, i do not think my Computer habits are anywhere mainstream as i have very specific interests and so far Windowblinds has been the only  Casualty, but after working in conjunction with PhoenixRising1, even that is no longer so, every other of my mainly used Programs have all had NO problems with this OS, installed and working as they should.

Interesting how your worded the "Newbie" Debate PhoenixRising1 and i can say , you put it across beautifully, it made complete sense to me and i hope other members. Even when i came to this forum 11 years ago as a newbie, my IT experience and understanding of all things Computer related was already at a higher level than any Newbie as i was working in the Industry and in the last 11 years that experience has grown hugely. I have watched the Industry grow huge and touch almost every aspect of our lives so feel i can offer what i have learnt and give an informed experience led response to Topics like this.

The divisive proof of Win 11 good or bad, will only be settled in time, do i think it will become a Lemon like earlier editions of the OS , NO as it still remains very similar to Win 10 so many will take up the offer of a free upgrade, something our informed minds know to be "Too good to be true" as free is never really free, can and will we be able to close down those privacy issues making Win 11 better to use, a big fat yes as we are already doing it now, others will follow and as this OS becomes popular more of us will help others by what we respond in forums like this one, and before we know it others who publish results and findings on the net will do the same.

So sure of this end result, i am willing to apologize in print saying my findings of this OS were wrong, but as of right now, and based on numerous hours going through settings etc..  i stick to my findings as i genuinely believe Win 11 can be made safe from spying and can be modified to limit the concerns we are all commenting on. If and when that changes, maybe after some feature update, i will continue to report back Honestly and give my Informed opinion. I am a Stand Up Guy and would never defend my reporting back comments if i found them to be wrong through hands on time using this OS.

Nothing wrong with the default look of Windows. I haven't used Windowblinds in well over 10 years. Just a plain looking black taskbar. Another reason I will not use 11 is the way it displays folders. With 10 you see a thumbnail preview of what's inside the folder. 11 got rid of that. 

It's a safe bet that casualty is only temporary.  There has been a Windowblinds available for every MS OS after 3.  No matter how much MS buggers up an OS Neil [and Stardock] has always come through [mostly] unscathed.

Same cannot be said for the reverse - engineered uxtheme patcher [a violation of the MS TOS/EULA] which was [maybe/maybe not] 'inadvertently' broken with every windows update...

Windows 11 is definitely hit and miss. I never once called it a home run. While we can easily do another 100+ comment thread talking about windows 11 system requirements and TPM2.0 I think we can all agree not everything in windows 11 is good... But, it is not all bad either. It is a good looking OS overall and I can't really say I miss clunky old ribbons in the explorer. So there are pros and con definitely. I would still place it as a success even if it never does make it into the operating systems hall of fame... Maybe they will fix some mistakes once sun valley 2 hits.